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naath ([personal profile] naath) wrote2012-11-02 09:48 am

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A general trend in nuisances...

Whilst it is very nice to be helpful, to offer practical assistance or information or opinion that might assist me in making decisions (there are many ways to be helpful) it is often the case that the help offered may not actually be helpful, for a variety of reasons. Naturally this help has been offered out of kindness and generosity and should be politely refused, not rudely rejected. This is not the nuisance.

The nuisance is when the help-offerer goes on to insist that you accept their help, follow their advice, etc. even after I have politely declined and offered an explanation.

This is a nuisance (and worse than a nuisance) at a wide range of levels - from the small-time barely-a-flicker-of-irritation right up to serious assaults. Naturally the more serious the violation the more annoyed I am about it; but I am also generally-annoyed about the prevelance of this idea that my help/advice/etc is SO WONDERFUL AND AMAZING that OBVIOUSLY you want to follow it.

At the most trivial end - my bike lights have no battery, they do not need to be turned off, I deliberately leave them on at all times because I'm a lazy wottsit. So, naturally my life includes a large number of people telling me I have done so; or even turning them off while I'm not there. I strive to remember that these people are generous helpful people who I can't reasonably expect to know anything about how my lights work.

At the most serious end - the law in this country provides for detaining and forcibly medicating people if the relevant someone decides that that's a good idea. Now, I am absolutely all for providing absolutely everyone with all the medical treatments that they want; and I am on-balance in favour of detaining people who have committed crimes in part in order to protect others from the possibility that they will commit more crimes; I'm certainly in favor of offering people who have committed crimes the option of receiving medical treatment whilst detained; I'm just not in favour of people being forcibly medicated against their will.

[identity profile] lysystratae.livejournal.com 2012-11-02 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
That's not quite the type of 'danger to oneself' I was thinking of... and really, it's the danger to others that's more pressing.

Full disclosure, I have one friend who is schizophrenic, and a danger to himself when not medicated in that he tends to wander in front of moving vehicles (and trains, that was a fun one), and say nonsensical things to strangers that result in him getting beaten by jerks. I know another boy (paranoid schizophrenia in his case) who seemed to be harmless, just took his gaming a bit too seriously... until one Christmas, after spending a couple hours at our house helping to decorate the tree (and weirding out my mother in law talking about elves and dragons like they were real), he left 'to run an errand'. That errand was to drive over to the house of a woman he knew, and kill the dragon disguised as her father. With a sword. He then drove back to our house to spend the night with my sister and some other friends, with no sign anything had happened. We found out what his 'errand' was 3 days later when he was on the news being picked up by the cops for the murder. His mother said he'd been refusing his medication for months.

So yes, I'm biased.

[identity profile] sidheag.livejournal.com 2012-11-03 10:11 am (UTC)(link)
IAWTC. I also have a friend who can become a danger to herself when not medicated. She's in favour of forcible medication of people with conditions like hers. I find this more convincing than the arguments against I'm hearing here.

[identity profile] naath.livejournal.com 2012-11-03 10:14 am (UTC)(link)
Well, yes, obviously it's it YOUR interest and MY interest and the interest of everyone else in society to prevent violent criminals perpetrating violent crimes.

But is it in the interest OF THE CRIMINAL to be medicated rather than incarcerated? That is a question I think only the individual can answer.